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Thursday, November 02, 2006

SWANS, i.e. Strong Women Achievers, No Spouse

There's a phrase about statistics: "Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is tantalizing, but what they hide is vital." Keep this in mind if you read Christine Whelan's book, "Why Smart Men Marry Smart Women", which, according to the author, "[shatters] the myth about success and singledom".

The gist of the book is fairly obvious from its front and back covers. It reads as a metaphorical middle finger to men like Michael Noer who assert that intelligence and high achievment are turnoffs to men, especially intelligent, high-achieving ones. It also serves as a kick in the ass for all "woe-is-me" singletons who blame their unmarried status on how men are Too Intimidated (or, alternatively, how men Don't Want To Be Challenged, or Only Want A Pretty Face).

One such statistic is that 92% of high-achieving men say they are more attracted to women who are successful in their careers, while almost 90% reported that they wanted to marry a woman who was “as intelligent as they are, or more.” I wonder about the sample size of the men surveyed, or if these men knew they were being surveyed for purposes of writing a book geared toward convincing intelligent female singletons that the reason why men don't want to marry them is not because of their intelligence. I also wonder how each of such 92% define "successful".



In practice, men I've informally "surveyed" have had varying opinions on the topic. While few are as adamantly against coupling with smart women as Noer, some men believe that educated, ambitious women have more "hang-ups" and life stressors and would make less fulfilling mates. Other men find ambition, intelligence and confidence such a turn-on that it borders on fetishism. One man enjoyed dating an attorney because she was at the office all the time and didn't have to deal with her much (quite the winner, he was), and another man - an HBS grad, no less - had no qualms marrying a woman who used the word "ecliptic" to describe the city of Asheville in her wedding invites.

In short, I've found there to be an "optimum point" of intelligence/ambition/success, and if a woman goes beyond that point, those qualities start becoming turn-offs, as opposed to turn-ons.
In other words, the book would be much more telling if it were written by a smart man.

Question for the Audience: While few men actively seek stupid women, exactly where is this optimum point? Is there one? Would you prefer to date the 20something equivalent of Condi Rice, Hillary Clinton or Sandra Day O'Connor over a nice, pretty girl who worked in the marketing department of Ralph Lauren, graduated with a 3.6 from a flagship state school and never got a bad annual review in her life but didn't really have any ambition to "rule the world" or otherwise achieve some degree of elite level in her career or other pursuits?

Quiz Yourself! The book also has a website containing Cosmo-esque quizzes where women (of all intelligences!) can predict the age when they are most likely to get hitched. There's also a quiz to test if a woman is among the SWANS, i.e. Strong Woman Achievers No Spouse, who Whelan claims will get married, but just later.

Note: For other blog discussions on this book, click here.

4 Comments:

At November 03, 2006 8:08 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Would you prefer to date the 20something equivalent of Condi Rice, Hillary Clinton or Sandra Day O'Connor over a nice, pretty girl who worked in the marketing department of Ralph Lauren, graduated with a 3.6 from a flagship state school and never got a bad annual review in her life but didn't really have any ambition to "rule the world" or otherwise achieve some degree of elite level in her career or other pursuits?"

By picking some of the ugliest women to ever be in the public eye, you're already skewing the answer you'll receive. Of course any male with any sense is going to take the Ralph Lauren girl. She is actually just as likely to make as much money and be as successful as the super driven fugly woman. Without knowing anything about the person other than some superficial statistics, we'll always choose the hot girl.

There is no quantifiable point where men decide between hotness and intelligence. I've dated women who were hot and stupid, those that were fugly but overachievers, and everything in between. I either dumped them or lost interest so that I was eventually dropped. Others dumped me outright, but I never lost any sleep over it.

Men don't have a Cosmo checklist for their perfect mate. Sure, I'd love to have Angelina Jolie (hot, rich, driven, smart, aggressive, and caring), but that doesn't mean that's the only woman I'll date. The woman who is right for me doesn't have to attend a certain school(for someone who went to a state school, you really hit hard on them), she doesn't have to make 6 figures, and she doesn't need to take over the world. I'm not saying that those aren't nice to find (I actully like those assuming the woman is physically attractive), but none of that bullshit is a dealbreaker.

Men just don't put that much pressure into finding the perfect mate. If we find something we like, then great. If not, it doesn't matter. Women are powerful in that they hold the key to sex. The reversal to that for men is to take away that advantage by toning down the horndog inside of us.

Men have power in that we don't need to be tied down to one person to make our lives complete. These SWANS may be single b/c they're so dead set on some stupid ass checklist (money, right school, etc.) that they miss the guy right in front of them who would be good for them. Also, SWANS are often insecure so they go after men who treat them like shit and are never going to stick around to marry them.

 
At November 03, 2006 10:44 AM, Blogger Plain Jane Jones said...

"The woman who is right for me doesn't have to attend a certain school(for someone who went to a state school, you really hit hard on them)"

Oh, no, you misunderstood. My description of the Ralph Lauren girl was meant to be a description of a bright girl who may not be as driven to succeed or hung up on acquiring elite accouterments as the "strivers". I wasn't trying to demean a public school education (hence my use of the word "flagship").

 
At November 03, 2006 10:46 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"These SWANS may be single b/c they're so dead set on some stupid ass checklist (money, right school, etc.) that they miss the guy right in front of them who would be good for them."

True. I'd also add that there's also a large number of people who are unhappy because they think they can have it all--you know, keep their looks, be the best at everything, have a great career, have perfect kids and be the perfect society wife--and can't accept anything less than the best of EVERYTHING. There's a fine line between being driven and being unhappy with anything less than everything.

 
At November 04, 2006 7:20 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Darling,

Here is a thread, from a law school discussion forum, which I hope explains how guys are in the real world.

Sincerely,

A realistic woman

http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=518836&mc=146&forum_id=2

 

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